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[vostok]

dal jerusalem post

 

 

Israeli communist joins Ukrainian rebels to fight ‘fascists and neo-Nazis’

 

 

 

 

http://www.jpost.com...eo-Nazis-412785

[vasia]

Перехват: ВСУ нанесли ответный удар гибридной армии под Горловкой

 

[vostok]

tutti i giornali indignati parlano dell arresto di oleg sentsov peccato che nessun giornale mostri il video con cui è stato beccato il suo complice Oleksiy Chyrniy con le mani nel sacco mentre preparava un attentato

 

questo è il video della cattura e del materiale che aveva con sè

 

Edited by vostok, 26 August 2015 - 15:41.

[Rick]

per la serie "non esistono neonazisti in ucraina"

 

 

Questa purtroppo è la generazione "americana"  degli ucraini

 

ragazzotti tra i i 20 ed i 25 anni

 

cresciuti sotto la nuova dottrina dell'odio interetnico

 

e della rivalutazione in solo senso negativo di quel che fu la Soiuz

 

voluta se non imposta dalla costante presenza americana in Ucraina

 

da quando questa è diventata indipendente

 

 

Ragazzotti cresciuti sotto le ali protettrici di fantomatiche ONG sempre molto attive e ben finanziate

 

che ai tempi della rivoluzione arancione erano ancora troppo giovani

 

ma che oggi costituiscono l'ossatura di questa seconda avanzata a stelle strisce

[Rick]

http://www.vice.com/...e=vicetwitteruk

 

Meeting the British and European Fighters at War in Ukraine

August 25, 2015

By Christopher Allen

 

 

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Members of the Azov Regiment in Shyrokyne (Photos by the author)

There are European soldiers fighting amid the rubble of Shyrokyne in Eastern Ukraine. They shoot from half-destroyed hotels and sleep in the basements of war-ravaged homes. Artillery fire colours the hill behind the town black, and darkens the sky with grey smoke. Machine guns sputter day and night, and there is occasionally the crack of a sniper rifle as soldiers dart between abandoned houses, hotels, apartment buildings and trenches.

The pro-Ukrainian Azov Regiment and the group of Europeans fighting with them have clashed almost continuously with separatists in and around the small village of Shyrokne for months, turning this once peaceful place by the Azov Sea into a decimated frontline. The detritus of war litters the streets, as do the relics of the civilian world that once existed here – children's bicycles, beach toys, garden furniture, an old football that a soldier kicks around during a lull in the fighting.

Katty, a paramedic from Right Sector, a pro-Ukrainian paramilitary group also fighting here, says she has tired of the soldiers in her battalion making the same joke: inviting her for a walk and a drink on the village's sandy beach. But in the late evening, during the quiet moments in between artillery barrages, it's not difficult to imagine the world that used to exist in Shyrokyne: lovers walking on the beach, children playing in the streets.

But it's here that the squad of European soldiers fight. On one shoulder, they wear Azov's bright blue and yellow insignia; on the other, they wear their own: "Mors Venit Velociter", or: "Death Comes Quickly".

 

 

 

 

 

Chris "Swampy" Garrett

"I spent all day with a pistol in one hand and a grenade in the other, wondering how I was going to kill myself and how many [separatists] I could take with me," said Chris "Swampy" Garrett, a British citizen and a member of the squad of Europeans fighting in Eastern Ukraine for Azov Regiment.

Garrett had just returned to Kyiv after a failed mission behind enemy lines in the small village of Shyrokyne. His team had been surrounded and cut off from Ukrainian positions before the men fled. He spent over 14 hours trapped behind an enemy advance, fighting in close quarters and sheltering from friendly artillery fire, before sneaking out of the village under the cover of darkness.

For Garrett, who has served in the British army and done humanitarian de-mining work in the Karen State on the Thai/Myanmar border, the decision to join the Azov Battalion was a simple one: "One day they posted up on the [Azov Battalion] Facebook site, asking, 'We need people who have any kind of knowledge with first aid, volunteering, with basic military skills, de-mining, anything. If you have any skills at all, to any level, can you come and help?' So I kind of saw that as my route in, even if I didn't stay with the [Azov] Battalion. [It was] my surest way to get into the country – get into the east and then be able to see the bigger picture from there."

 

 

 

For most of the Europeans here, while getting to the fight was simple, their motivations for joining the war effort are more complex.

"It was just seeing the aggression coming from [Russians and pro-Russian separatists]," Garrett said of his motives. "I mean, you know, obviously coming from a small island [the UK], if someone came and invaded, I would hope that some people would turn up and help to get rid of them. To me, every country – it doesn't matter if it's landlocked – every country is an island in that sense. If someone invades it, obviously you want to get rid of them."

Garrett is not the only member of the group of European soldiers who came to defend Ukrainian sovereignty. But while some came to protect Ukraine, others here came to fight for conservative and nationalist politics in Ukraine's relatively open political space. For Harley, a 42-year-old from France who served in the French navy and later in the private security industry, involvement was two-sided: he came "to help Ukraine against Russia" and wears a "Fuck U Putin" bracelet on his wrist, but joined Azov because its politics were similar to his own: "Azov," he said, propagated a political agenda that "was closer to my idea."

 

 

"Baghira", one of Azov's European soldiers, on the frontline in Shyrokyne

Azov's politics have drawn fire for being far-right to the point of neo-Nazism; "If you want to find Nazis, [Azov] is the place to come," one soldier told me on the way to the frontline. And yet, the political reality of Azov is much more complicated than that. One soldier in the European group told me he estimates that around 20 percent of the battalion could be considered neo-Nazis, while David Eriksson – a 48-year-old Swede who owns real estate and marketing businesses – said: "I think almost 100 percent of foreigners – it used to be maybe 90 percent of foreigners – are not Nazis. They are here to fight."

While the regiment was originally founded as a far-right paramilitary group by Andriy Biletsky, a current member of the Ukrainian parliament and founder of the Social National Assembly and Patriot of Ukraine groups (both also far-right), it has changed over time as this rag-tag paramilitary organisation became a fully mechanised regiment closely affiliated with the Ukrainian government. While some of these Europeans – especially those who joined at the beginning of the conflict – came to fight for a fascist political agenda, many are uncomfortable with the political roots of the group.

As the conflict has evolved, political leanings have been lost in the quagmire of war. Most of these men seem more preoccupied with the fight to defend Europe and the battle against Russia than they are about the sovereignty or political future of Ukraine itself. "[The focus] changed maybe [during] my second tour," said Eriksson. "Now, it's more [about fighting] against Russia than for Ukraine."

 

 

 

Furthermore, for many of these European soldiers, joining the Azov Regiment had nothing to do with politics; it was simply the easiest way to get to the conflict. The regiment actively solicits international recruits through its Facebook page, and English is one of its official languages. Almost all of the Europeans here are former professional soldiers and have served in their respective national armies or in the French Foreign Legion, and are chasing the kind of experiences they've had in conflict elsewhere.

According to "The Greek", a 33-year-old former soldier in the Greek army and French Foreign Legion, the group is primarily composed of "ex-professional soldiers that just liked their job and wanted to do their job... [but] every foreigner here, they're not ordinary representatives of their own societies". They all have a "restless" character and "adventuring spirit", he told me, which draws them to advocate for their politics or practice their trade in one of the most dangerous places in the world. Some of these men even considered joining the separatists before deciding to join the pro-Ukrainian Azov Regiment.

"The Greek" is one of those who came to practice his trade. He decided to fight, not for a specific political agenda, but instead for the act of war itself. "You fight for the war. It's a science; it's an art," he told me at the group's base in Yurivka. "The army itself is a science. This is what matters."

Edited by Rick, 26 August 2015 - 21:07.

[vasia]

Россия перебрасывает в Донбасс танки Т-80, Пионы и бензовозы

 

В Киевский район оккупированного Донецка доставлена батарея 203-мм самоходных орудий 2С7 Пион в количестве пяти единиц. Также в город прибыло порядка 15 бензовозов, а на тягачах из РФ переброшено три газотурбинных танка Т-80, утверждает группа военных экспертов Информационное сопротивление. 

 

 

http://news.liga.net...i_benzovozy.htm

[vostok]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

intanto nel parlamento ucraino........

 

 

 

 

 

 

per stomaci forti, dedicato a tutti gli ucraini che sfoderano orgogliosi i simboli nazisti

 

 

immagini prese da lvov

 

 

'Blood oozed through the soil at grave sites. You could see the pits move, some of them were still alive': The secrets of Ukraine's shameful 'Holocaust of Bullets' killing centre where 1.6million Jews were executed
 

 

 

http://www.dailymail...tter_mailonline

[badica]

Russia Inadvertently Posts Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled

 

Russian president Vladimir Putin has decreed that all Russian casualties “in peacetime” be a state secret. In addition to criminal charges arising from divulging state secrets, families risk losing pensions and lump-sum payments if they reveal that their sons were killed in Ukraine. Mothers of soldiers’ associations have been branded “foreign agents” for collecting data on Russian casualties. Dissident Boris Nemtsov was murdered shortly before completing his study of Russian casualties in Ukraine. Russian civil rights organizations, working against the fog of official resistance, could confirm only several hundred battlefield deaths.

 

Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn) reports on markets, finance, entrepreneurship, finance, and leisure, scarcely an outlet for sensational information. Its innocuously entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” however, reveals what appear to be official figures on the number of Russian soldiers killed or made invalids “in eastern Ukraine.” Russian censors quickly removed the offending material but not before it had been webcached by the Ukrainian journal Novy Region (New Region). Here is the “top secret” material the censors removed (my translation):

Web-archived material removed by Russian censors containing casualty figures

 

“Compensation of military personnel taking part in military actions in Ukraine in 2014-2015.” In addition, the Russian government, in a decision about the monetary compensation of military personnel taking part in military action in eastern Ukraine, approved compensation for families of military personnel who were killed taking part in military action in Ukraine of three million rubles (about $50,000).

 

For those who have become invalids during military action, the compensation is one and a half million rubles (about $25,000). A payment of 1,800 rubles is envisioned for contract “fighters” for every day of their presence in the conflict zone. In all, as of February 1, 2015, monetary compensation had been paid to more than 2,000 families of fallen soldiers and to 3,200 military personnel suffering heavy wounds and recognized as invalids (my italics).”

 

Sovietologists found many secrets of the USSR by digging into the Soviet press and technical and financial trade journals. That fallen and invalided military personnel are compensated must be reflected somewhere in budgets. As reported in Delovaya zhizn, compensation payments for those killed and invalided in Ukraine came to almost twenty million dollars, not a large share of the approximately $50 billion  defense budget but large enough to appear in an appropriate budget subcategory.

 

The Delovaya zhizn inadvertent (or deliberate?) revelation of more than two thousand combat deaths in east Ukraine not only destroys the Putin myth of a small number of deaths of Russian patriots defending Russians in Ukraine from neo-Nazi extremists but also demolishes Putin’s cover story that no “active” member of the Russian armed forces is or has been in Ukraine. According to Putin, if there are Russian fighters in Ukraine, they had resigned and gone as volunteers. Note that contract fighters are paid for each day in the combat zone. In Russian military jargon, a contract soldier (kontraktnik) contracts to serve a specific period of time in the military (usually three years) in return for compensation and other benefits. The clause on payment for contract soldiers blows a huge hole through the cover story.

 

The Russian censors have removed the incriminating information. The Kremlin will claim that the webcached material is a forgery. The figures, however, make sense and confirm what should be obvious to all: Russian troops are in east Ukraine and are being supplied with heavy weapons by Russia.  Deadly battles–such as those at Donetsk Airport and Debaltseve–have resulted in heavy casualties on each side. We also know how the Russian dead are secretly transported back to Russia for furtive burials.

 

Despite this mass of evidence, only one-quarter of Russians believe the Russia has troops in Ukraine. Will the presence of 3,200 war invalids and more than 2,000 grieving families erode the belief that Russia is not conducting a war with its own troops against Ukraine? It seems that time and events will raise the number of Russians who believe the truth.

Edited by badica, 27 August 2015 - 15:26.

[badica]

Russia Inadvertently Posts Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled

 

 

Ucraina, stampa russa: 2000 soldati Mosca morti in conflitto.

 

http://www.repubblic..._ore-121715116/

 

KIEV - Mosca ha sempre negato un suo coinvolgimento diretto nel conflitto che sta dilaniando l'Ucraina dell'est. Ma la rivelazione 'involontaria' di una testata russa, Delovaia Zhizn, svelata da Forbes, rischia di mettere in serio imbarazzo il Cremlino.

Un articolo del sito russo, poi prontamente modificato, ha svelato il numero dei soldati di Mosca deceduti nel conflitto nel Donbass: dal primo febbraio il governo di Mosca avrebbe pagato circa 50mila dollari (3 milioni di rubli) alle famiglie di duemila soldati caduti e 25mila dollari (un milione e mezzo di rubli) a 3.200 militari rimasti invalidi. I dati sulle pensioni di reversibilità e invalidità, conservati in versione originale dal giornale ucraino Novi Region, rappresenterebbero la prima conferma del coinvolgimento diretto dell'esercito russo, sempre negato dal Cremlino, nel conflitto in Ucraina. Queste informazioni sono state definite da Vladimir Putin un "segreto di Stato": ufficialmente non ci sono soldati russi morti nel conflitto e quelli presenti sono solo volontari in ferie o in congedo.

Nell'articolo si fa riferimento, inoltre, a un compenso per i soldati impiegati oltre confine: 1.800 rubli per ogni giorno passato nella zona di conflitto per i soldati a contratto.

Edited by badica, 27 August 2015 - 15:16.

[vasia]

Террорист Захарченко подтвердил планы оккупантов наступать

 

"Я уже не раз говорил, что программа-минимум - это ДНР в пределах бывшей Донецкой области. Собственно, достижение этой цели во многом станет и так называемым "принуждением к миру"... Что касается "Великой Новороссии", то об этом говорить пока рано. Этот вопрос мы будем решать, когда победим", - поделился планами террорист.

Захарченко при этом уточнил, что в планах боевиков - захватить Мариуполь и Славянск.

 

 

http://news.liga.net...ov_nastupat.htm

[vasia]

«Он звонил только один раз. С украинского номера». Рассказ жены псковского десантника

 

Перед началом беседы знакомый долго убеждал ее, что мы не из ФСБ и нам можно доверять. Ни свою фамилию, ни даже имя мужа она назвать не решилась.

 

Напуганная женщина тихим голосом рассказала, что ее муж 14 августа уехал на учения в Кислово, на полигон под Псковом. На следующий день он уже улетел.

«Даже домой зайти не дали. Он позвонил и попросил только вещи необходимые собрать, я ему их к части и принесла», — говорит женщина. Тогда она видела своего супруга в последний раз. Связаться с десантником который прошел Осетию, получил медаль «за воссоединение Крыма» и вот теперь вновь отправлен на юг, она не может.

Сам он звонил только раз 25 августа с украинского номера. «Муж сказал, чтобы я его стерла и не звонила на этот телефон. Поговорить удалось всего пару минут», — вспоминает она. Все происходящее «там» он описал словом «пипец». «Нас бомбят уже неделю, завтра идем в наступление», — пересказывает женщина слова супруга.

 

http://tvrain.ru/art...antnika-374681/

[vasia]

СУДЬБА российского ОПОЛЧЕНЦА.
«Это фото сделано сегодня на пересечении ул. Профсоюзной и пр-та Нахимова в Москве», — пишет у себя на страничке Vasil Koshovy.
На перекрестке между машин ползает тело, решившее повоевать за Новороссию..Как результат-просит милостыню на улицах столицы .Машины в основном проезжают мимо… Подошел к моей машине, рассказал о нелегкой своей доле борца с баннерами. Я дал ему 100 рублей и напоследок сказал Слава Героям!!! Он онемел, на глазах выступили слезы.. Развернулся и ни слова не говоря ушел с дороги……
Хочу сказать всем ополченцам и прочей мрази: Желаю вам всем вернуться в свою столицу и ползать там выпрашивая милостыню.. Постепенно вы заполоните весь город.. И путиноиды вывезут вас на 101-й километр и расстреляют.. Уберут как мусор.. Ждите….

 

[Rick]

Ucraina, stampa russa: 2000 soldati Mosca morti in conflitto.

 

http://www.repubblic..._ore-121715116/

 

KIEV - Mosca ha sempre negato un suo coinvolgimento diretto nel conflitto che sta dilaniando l'Ucraina dell'est. Ma la rivelazione 'involontaria' di una testata russa, Delovaia Zhizn, svelata da Forbes, rischia di mettere in serio imbarazzo il Cremlino.

Un articolo del sito russo, poi prontamente modificato, ha svelato il numero dei soldati di Mosca deceduti nel conflitto nel Donbass: dal primo febbraio il governo di Mosca avrebbe pagato circa 50mila dollari (3 milioni di rubli) alle famiglie di duemila soldati caduti e 25mila dollari (un milione e mezzo di rubli) a 3.200 militari rimasti invalidi. I dati sulle pensioni di reversibilità e invalidità, conservati in versione originale dal giornale ucraino Novi Region, rappresenterebbero la prima conferma del coinvolgimento diretto dell'esercito russo, sempre negato dal Cremlino, nel conflitto in Ucraina. Queste informazioni sono state definite da Vladimir Putin un "segreto di Stato": ufficialmente non ci sono soldati russi morti nel conflitto e quelli presenti sono solo volontari in ferie o in congedo.

Nell'articolo si fa riferimento, inoltre, a un compenso per i soldati impiegati oltre confine: 1.800 rubli per ogni giorno passato nella zona di conflitto per i soldati a contratto.

 

 

 

ho letto poco di questa cosa

 

e quel poco che ho letto mette seriamente in dubbio l'attendibilità di questo sito

 

ma come al solito

 

poco importa

 

la notizia si spara in prima pagina sempre e cmq ,,,, tanto quel che conta sono le chiacchiere

[Rick]

СУДЬБА российского ОПОЛЧЕНЦА.
«Это фото сделано сегодня на пересечении ул. Профсоюзной и пр-та Нахимова в Москве», — пишет у себя на страничке Vasil Koshovy.
На перекрестке между машин ползает тело, решившее повоевать за Новороссию..Как результат-просит милостыню на улицах столицы .Машины в основном проезжают мимо… Подошел к моей машине, рассказал о нелегкой своей доле борца с баннерами. Я дал ему 100 рублей и напоследок сказал Слава Героям!!! Он онемел, на глазах выступили слезы.. Развернулся и ни слова не говоря ушел с дороги……
Хочу сказать всем ополченцам и прочей мрази: Желаю вам всем вернуться в свою столицу и ползать там выпрашивая милостыню.. Постепенно вы заполоните весь город.. И путиноиды вывезут вас на 101-й километр и расстреляют.. Уберут как мусор.. Ждите….

 

 

 

e c'è bisogno di andare a mosca per trovare queste cose ?

 

ne hanno a centinia a Kiev

 

cmq questo è chiaramente un focomelico , furbo

[vasia]

СБУ обнародовала имена и фотографии генералов российской армии, которое сформировало и командует оккупационными гибридными войсками в Донбассе

 

Служба безопасности Украины во взаимодействии с украинской разведкой и другими спецслужбами собрала неопровержимые доказательства российского присутствия на территории Украины. Сегодня мы видим четкое структурирование российской армии на территории Донецкой и Луганской областей. В частности, это 1-й и 2-й армейские корпусы Российской Федерации. Сегодня украинскими спецслужбами также идентифицированы российские генералы, которые принимали или принимают непосредственное участие в военной агрессии", - сказал он.

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://news.liga.net...okkupantami.htm

[Anatolii L.]

ho letto poco di questa cosa

 

e quel poco che ho letto mette seriamente in dubbio l'attendibilità di questo sito

 

ma come al solito

 

poco importa

 

la notizia si spara in prima pagina sempre e cmq ,,,, tanto quel che conta sono le chiacchiere

 

 

persino la prestigiosa Forbes l'ha citata 

 

 

 

A pensare poi, se Putin dice che non ci sono forze russe nel Donbass e che un giorno confessi che ci sono come in Crimea 

 

beh... almeno lo dicesse perché sono lì, così io da buon cittadino russo lo so 

[Anatolii L.]

Dall'altra parte capisco la necessità di giocare sporco ma che venga almeno diffuso qualche dato sui costi  

Edited by Anatolii L., 28 August 2015 - 20:27.

[Anatolii L.]

Ti ricordo solo che questo che viviamo è il secolo americano

 

l'hanno detto loro ....

 

[Rick]

persino la prestigiosa Forbes l'ha citata 

 

 

 

A pensare poi, se Putin dice che non ci sono forze russe nel Donbass e che un giorno confessi che ci sono come in Crimea 

 

beh... almeno lo dicesse perché sono lì, così io da buon cittadino russo lo so 

 

a parte il fatto che Forbes non si è differenziata + di tanto dal resto della stampa internazionale

 

il fatto che sia prestigiosa non da automaticamente prestigio alla vera e propria fonte

 

che risulta essere dubbia

 

 

tra l'altro se sei tu russo , dovresti avere molte + info di me sull'attendibilità della fonte

[Anatolii L.]

a parte il fatto che Forbes non si è differenziata + di tanto dal resto della stampa internazionale

 

il fatto che sia prestigiosa non da automaticamente prestigio alla vera e propria fonte

 

che risulta essere dubbia

 

 

tra l'altro se sei tu russo , dovresti avere molte + info di me sull'attendibilità della fonte

 

sì, dimenticavo le virgolette scrivendo prestigiosa

 

poiché della fonte originale si sono perse le tracce 

 

anzi, rt specifica che siano stati gli hacker di Kiev ad aver modificato e pubblicato un articolo datato da mesi

 

(?)

Edited by Anatolii L., 28 August 2015 - 21:04.